I know I said I would keep the peace but I ran across this gem of a quote over at Siditty's blog and could not help but post it.
"If I'm outside your building trying to catch a cab," he (Obama) told Charlie Rose, "they're not saying, 'Oh, there's a mixed race guy.'" SOURCE
Case and point.
Oooooooh…I LIKE that!
I know. Sweet, right?
Taula,
I saw this as well and thought it was a great post.
Great minds think alike!
So … wait a minute.
Is it about how Obama sees himself, then, or, as this “gem” suggests, about how other people see him? A logical inference from this is that if a cab driver saw him as mixed race, he’d think it was okay to call himself mixed race.
I wish that someone on the other side of this issue, including Obama, could at least be consistent.
http://www.talulazoeapple.com/apple/2008/11/what-michelle-obama-means-to-us.html
Speaking of consistency I wish LH would stop using his biracial heritage like so many other biracial people. I’m black when it is benefical to me and I am biracial when it is beneficial to me. Case in point LH admits in that post of yours Taula that Barack is a black man in the third comment listed. Now all of a sudden he flips the script. Sheesh.
Aw, LH:
Don’t hate the playa, well, you know the rest. I ran across another video that I could not post where Obama tells a Mixed Race Group that they are part of larger racial movements and to not think of themselves as so special that they are outside the larger movements. That was quite an eye opener. Maybe I’ll find one I can post just for you.
Oooo Kristin:
You are trying to get something started up in here. LOL I can’t wait.
Kristin, you obviously aren’t interested in having an intelligent discussion about the matter.
You previously hurled insults gratuitously and inaccurately and now you’re playing a game of gotcha.
As Talula may know, I’ve admitted that I, too, fell into the trap of calling Barack Obama black because I was too lazy and unwilling to argue the point that he isn’t.
But once folks got carried away talking about America’s first black president and such, I’d had my fill and decided to jump in the fray.
So instead of trying to catch me up in an apparent contradiction, when you aren’t name calling, how about making a good faith effort at having an intelligent discussion about this? Or am I asking too much of you? I mean, you have yet to delve into what “black” means. Is it because you can’t?
In addition, you’re a lot more hung up about my heritage than I am. Of course Talula will never call you on it because she doesn’t want to break sista ranks, but it’s apparent and I’m calling you on it. I didn’t say anything about being biracial in this thread. You brought it up. Why? And don’t hide behind a bunch of insults. Answer the question, again, if that’s not asking too much.
And I’m not finished with you just yet. You don’t know me from a can of paint, so you don’t know what I call myself or when. As such, fall back from telling me what I do “like so many other biracial people” before I even the playing field for real and start talking about what so many monoracial people do.
“Kristin, you obviously aren’t interested in having an intelligent discussion about the matter.
You previously hurled insults gratuitously and inaccurately and now you’re playing a game of gotcha. “
This is not a gotcha game at all. You got sonned as you like to say and are unable to handle it. I have always been one to have an intelligent conversation. If you had read the link to that prompted Taulas post you would have understood the biracial comments. I suggest you do that first.
“So instead of trying to catch me up in an apparent contradiction, when you aren’t name calling, how about making a good faith effort at having an intelligent discussion about this? Or am I asking too much of you? I mean, you have yet to delve into what “black” means. Is it because you can’t? “
I believe I have already answered this. It may not have been the answer that you were looking for but there was a definite answer. Which since you bring it up you have failed repeated questions from ST, Taula and myself to answer what white means. However, in case you don’t remember my first answer I will give you a better one here. Black and white are phenotypes areas on the color spectrum that will shift to include people who were not at first considered to be part of the original black/white group. More importantly black is more culturally to me than anything, besides the shared skin colour. Culture is the key word here this is how I see black. Now please feel free to answer the white question.
“In addition, you’re a lot more hung up about my heritage than I am. “
Actually on the last debate we had you were the one that lorded you family lineage you brought that argument up not I.
I didn’t say anything about being biracial in this thread. You brought it up. Why? And don’t hide behind a bunch of insults. Answer the question, again, if that’s not asking too much.
Like I stated it above because that is what the post was about had you bothered to read it to begin with. Simple as that nothing diabolical about it.
“And I’m not finished with you just yet. You don’t know me from a can of paint, so you don’t know what I call myself or when. As such, fall back from telling me what I do “like so many other biracial people” before I even the playing field for real and start talking about what so many monoracial people do.
You are welcome to talk about monoraical people all you like. I am simply rereading some of your previous statements to see if they passed the smell test.
Sista ranks? Just curious.
He got sonned? ROTFL. I’m gonna steal that phrase, LH.
LH I would like to qualify that I actually meant no insult to you with my very first comment. From my perspective I thought I was simply pointing out instances in which I find biracial people to be confused and use their biracialness when it is advantageous to them. This reminded me so much of black people that could pass for white and would in their presence but would be down around black people Again no original offense was intended and I offer my apologies to you if that was the way you interpreted it.
Yeah I was curious about that as well. Taula, what is your email?
Talulazoeapple@yahoo.com
I got sonned? By you? Kristin, by using a term you aren’t familiar with, you actually sonned yourself.
You can’t son me by playing a game of gotcha or by throwing a bunch of insults and speculation against the wall and hoping something sticks.
I read the link (thanks), but I must have missed the part that discussed me. In case you forgot, I’m an individual. Address me as such and we’re good. Try to group me in a category and we’re going to butt heads.
Thanks (finally) for answering my question. So, blackness to you is about culture? Well then there must be far more than 40 million or so black people in America, because I’ve witnessed and actually known more than the occasional non-black person (based on phenotype) who was completely black from a cultural standpoint. Good luck with that.
To me, whiteness is synonymous with access to unfettered and unrestricted power. Put another way, show me someone who has both or either, I’ll show you a white person. It definitely isn’t about phenotype (find a picture of G.K. Butterfield and tell me you don’t see a white man) or culture (?????).
You punked out regarding your hang-up about my heritage, but I’m going to reiterate that you’re more consumed with it than I am based on your insistence on bringing it up here. My heritage, or yours for that matter, had nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Talula, don’t. Or if you’re going to, learn what it means before you use it, unlike Kristin who sonned herself because she didn’t.
Punked out? She was being polite. Play nice!
You’re far too bright not to know what I meant by this, but since you like being coy, here goes:
Every time I look up, here comes Kristin with something to say. I’m all for conversation and I don’t need folks to agree with me, but today in particular she didn’t have a leg to stand on. You’ve co-signed her foolishness before, perhaps because you actually agree with it, but it isn’t missed on me that I’m always doing battle with one or both of you.
Before you mention ST, please know that I don’t bother reading 98 per cent of his novels, so if/when you co-sign what he has to say, it’s whatever.
Please share?
You’ve never met me, so you’ve not yet found an instance in which I am confused or have used my biracialness [sic] to my advantage.
That said, apology accepted and no worries.
My dear LH,
You wouldn’t have to do battle with either of us if you would just admit you’re wrong. lol I try to play the devil’s advocate when necessary but Kristin makes valid points.
Less you forget, you and I actually agreed in a previous post.
My dear LH,
You wouldn’t have to do battle with either of us if you would just admit you’re wrong. lol I try to play the devil’s advocate when necessary but Kristin makes valid points.
Less you forget, you and I actually agreed in a previous post.
Yeah LH you do such a great job of being consistent. You are an individual but Taula and I pull sista ranks. MMMMmmmm You WERE sonned plain and simple, I know the meaning of the word. If anyone new was to come into the conversation and read our back and forth posts they would see that you are behaving in a sophomoric way. No one hurled insults at you. What happened was someone (namely me) pointed out that YOU are inconsistent and this is why people who consider themselves monoraicial (like I do) believe there is a problem with the whole multiracial and biracial movement.
You would not have had such a violent immediate reaction if there was not some truth to the sting you just suffered. It appears that you are unable to handle a discourse. What would have actually demonstrated a meeting of minds would have been for you to then explain your flip-flop comment and then begin a discourse about the various opinions of biracial people today.
Punked-out regarding your heritage. ROTFL!!!!!As far as your lineage and heritage goes I don’t care I said that in the previous posts,I can post that link here as well if your memory is failing.
I’m cool but your problem is now very obvious. You got called out and were unable to handle like in a mature fashion. You then resulted to turning the conversation into some school yard fight. If you have never been called on your BS until now then I can understand some of the venom.
Now if you would like to discuss the original premise for the post then I’m all game. I would love to discuss the increasing detestation between monoraical and biracial people. If not then don’t even think I will continue to trade diatribes with you, because you can’t win this one with your OWN words staring back at you.
@ Ms. Kristin:
“Sonned” is a parlance from the east coast rap/hip-hop scene. It means to prevail over someone else and is used ina derogatory way.
Thank you ST and prevail is exactly what I believe I did. As far as the derogatory thing not really my style I don’t have to go there to prove my point. I usually let reason see my arguement through. You have been quite on this one, was missing your voice.
Kristin, you are an absolute mental midget. You’ve demonstrated that you’re incapable of having a difference of opinion without making it personal, but more tellingly, you really don’t understand how we got to this point, do you?
I commented that Obama and others should be consistent about the way they view themselves.
You took that as an opportunity to make the discussion about me, despite that fact that it wasn’t about me, and despite the fact that you don’t know me.
In addition to being a mental midget you’re a liar. You did hurl an insult–again. Calling me confused (previously) and then telling me that I play the black card when it’s convenient (in this thread) isn’t calling me out, much less anything approaching intelligent. I was expecting too much from you, I see.
As such, I don’t care what you or anyone like you thinks about the gulf between monoracial and biracial people.
Ciao, bella.
Based on what I’ve read here, she doesn’t have it in her to be polite when she disagrees with someone.
I’m done playing nice. Moving forward I’m giving what I get.
I haven’t seen her make any valid points. I’ve seen her make everything about me, so now I’m going to make it personal.
And it’s “lest,” not “less.”
The following sent to me via email from Smooth Thug,
But look sweetheart, at the “On Why Obama Identifies As Black?” topic, the last two posts are from me to Ms. Kristin and her reply to me. Please post the following in reply to her reply. Thanks.
@ Ms. Kristin:
The reason I’ve been silent on this is because I’ve given up on LH as a hopeless case. *LH, I hope you’re reading this. No I’m not writing a “novel”, I’m merely trying to disseminate knowledge that is in concurrence with the scholastic community. You don’t read all my stuff? Well, you really need to; educate your thinking, young man*. But anyway, Ms. Kristin, all this started with the topic that asked us if Obama was black, or something to that effect anyway. I said yes he is black. I based that on the fact that the earliest humans came out of Africa. Please notice what I said… ” the earliest humans”, not apes. The next thing he does is flip a site at me that talks about a skull in Indonesia that couldn’t be classified by the imbeciles who dug it up. So what did they do with it? They classified it as a Homo Sapien (the thinking man) just for the sake of expedience and to hurry up and get the classification problem out of their hair. That was
the first site I provided you with. These same idiots dated this skull at 4.5 million years old? Something like that? The second thing I provided for you was a journal article that said, not so fast on that age; the technology used to date this fossil isn’t good enough to give an age that is accurate. OK, fine. The other fossil that that site talked about was Homo Georgicus. Homo Georgicus was semi-human and lived in what is now the Republic of Georgia ,near Russia, 4.1 million years ago. Georgicus is acknowledged as the first protohuman to migrate out of Africa. Now what does LH do? He tells me that Indonesia is not Germany. In mentioning that, he is alluding to some fossils that were found in what is now Germany and he ages at “17.5” million years old. But before you and I deal with this last issue, do you notice what LH does? Every time I corner him, he changes the subject. Let’s continue. “17.5” million years ago was within a time span that is
called the Miocene; it lasted from about 23 million years ago to about 5.5 million years ago. Now, the only thing that LH has said that has made any kind of sense is that during this time frame the continents were closer together. File that one away, Ms. Kristin; we’re going to come back to that one. LH fails too provide a source of his information. So without a source, I’m going to say that he is implying that Griphopithecus was an early human who’s fossils were found in present day Germany. WRONG!!!! Griphopithecus was an APE in the lines of an orangutan or a gorilla. It’s fossil remains are dated at over 16 million years old. How did an ape get into what is now central Europe? The continents were closer together, remember? In fact, some geologists will tell you that the northwestern part of the African continent was, in fact, attached to what is now Spain during the Miocene. Now back to what I originally said: protohumans came out of Africa. That’s
what I’m talking about, not apes. Ms. Kristin, thank you for reading my “novel”. You are a sweetheart.
@ST should I ever decided to write my dissertation on paelenotology I am so looking you up and using you as a reference. You know you took a situation and decided to educate yourself about it. That’s admirable, I always love it when people can look at a situation and try to find some kind of educational development of attainment from it.
A dissertation? You’re in a doctoral program? At an accredited institution? Academia is in crisis if that’s true, because you are surely a mental midget–in content and form.
Why not just have Smooth Thug write your dissertation for you? Even better, you can copy and paste what he’s written here. Defending it should prove easy since you agree with him, right?
As for you, Mr. Thug, you’re absolutely wasting your time. First of all, I can’t take anyone seriously who refers to himself as a thug, “smooth” or otherwise. Second, I impaled all of what you copied and pasted previously. Like Kristin, you throw a bunch of words against a wall and hope that they stick. That works with rookies and poseurs, but I’ve forgotten more about man’s origins than you could know.
It would completely f*ck your whole understanding up if I explained why, so I’ll leave you be, wallowing in ignorance and hubris with Kristin.
“A dissertation? You’re in a doctoral program? At an accredited institution? Academia is in crisis if that’s true, because you are surely a mental midget–in content and form.”
^^^^^
“Small minds are much distressed by little things. Great minds see them all but are not upset by them.” Francois
“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.” Twain
Hiding behind quotes does not suffice to obscure the fact that you’re a mental midget.
Oh, and by the way: You’re the one who took this personal. I’m simply giving you what you gave. And I’m not apologising or giving you respite.
LOL! I am actually laughing that you are taking this so seriously. This is beyond humorous. First of all I struck a very sensitive cord obviously. Your mistake was in letting me know this. Every time you post you are helping yourself get played like a fiddle.
To put it simply and plainly you are in need of therapy.
http://www.talulazoeapple.com/apple/2008/11/what-michelle-obama-means-to-us.html
“When Barack Obama was elected president, it confirmed what I’ve known all along: we’re the sh*t.”
Quote BY LH via above mentioned link. This statement claims Barack is a black man along with copious other reference to his blackness throughout the post by yourself. In this particular statement “we’re the sh*t” that would lead a reader to infer through deductive reasoning that you are saying black men are the ish which by the use of the word we’re would thereby include yourself. This is the instance of you switch your race status. And for the record you are confused if a person makes confusing statements then by default that person can be viewed as confused. I am no liar. I keep it one hundred all the time.
Are you trying to be funny or can you possibly be this stupid? Let’s slow things down a bit so you can catch up:
I’m biracial =====> Barack Obama is biracial =====> Barack Obama and I are biracial =====> We’re biracial =====> We’re the sh*t.
See how that works?
The person who’s on spin cycle here is you. You disagree with me but you’re too inarticulate (best case scenario) to express your thoughts in a cogent, convincing way. You went personal instead of remaining focused on the substance of my argument and now here we are.
It’s so obvious you’re trying to sound intelligent. For example, you wrote: “This statement claims Barack is a black man along with copious other reference to his blackness throughout the post by yourself.”
Copious other reference? Seriously? It’s obvious that you don’t know what “copious” means, so why’d you use the term? Not only that, but the statement itself is a snapshot of stupidity. It’s barely declarative and it’s senseless to boot.
I’m going to send you a “Black Like Me” colouring book so you can be challenged in a way that provides you some chance of figuring it out. learning.
And, yeah, you’re a liar … one hundred per cent.
Even if that were the case, how is that germane to the discussion.
To recap: I said that people, including Barack Obama, need to be consistent when discussing who and what they are. Is it about the way they see themselves or is it about the way other people see them.
You came along and tried to make the discussion about me by “catching” me in an apparent contradiction. I explained myself but that wasn’t enough for you.
You wouldn’t stop making it personal and now here we are. We can keep going back and forth or you can address my initial assertion. Well, actually, you’ve demonstrated that you’re too stupid to do the latter, so I guess I’ll resume calling you a mental midget and leave it there for now.
ROTFL!!!!